Ep. 23: Chuck Hagel on Trump, NATO, the future and more; Plus reax from Rosa Brooks and Mara Karlin.

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This week on the program:

• Former Nebraska Senator and Pentagon chief Chuck Hagel came by our offices at the Watergate this week to help us celebrate Defense One’s fifth anniversary. Hagel sat down (2:05) with Executive Editor Kevin Baron to talk about the Trump White House, the Greatest Generation, putting country over party, NATO, China and more. 
• Then (39:54) former Pentagon officials Rosa Brooks of the Georgetown University Law Center and Mara Karlin of the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies join Kevin to assess and expand on many of the ideas Secretary Hagel shared.

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